Joe Cass hosted Global Head of Fixed Income Indexing at Vanguard, Paul Jakubowski, and S&P Global Ratings Head of Digital Research Strategy Gareth Williams on the latest episode of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion focussed on the challenges and opportunities for Vanguard in 2020, the dangers of ‘zombie companies’ and the rising popularity of index investing. Conversation turned to the importance of hiring good people, Paul’s gruelling morning workout routine and Gareth’s home music studio.